Releasing The Child Within (brendablenda) wrote in a_good_opinion,
Releasing The Child Within

i went and saw the new P&P yesterday and i must say i was pleasently surprised!!! i went onto the cinema very critical before it even started, especially about the casting of all the roles.

The cinematography was excellent i think and scenery was beautiful and very fitting to the book.

Kiera Knightly played the part very well....alot better than i thought she would and the guy who played Darcy wasn't VERY good but still portrayed the character.

the guy who played Mr Bingley was very very good i thought just because of his face and his constant ackward and friendliness. Judi Dench was very good in Lady Catherine.

Mr Collins was no where as annoying as the 1995 versions but i forgive that because of lack of time to build up that particular characterization. i liked how they made him very added something extra.

my favourite scenes would have to be the part where darcy and lizzie get engaged, the time where they are dancing and it seems like there is no one else in the room and of course when elizabeth meets darcy in pemberly.

Overall i think this adaption was done very well and did justice to the book in the short time it had. 1995 version is still my favourite by far but i think this wasnt a disappointment!!!

any other opinions?

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I was actually quite pleasantly surprised as well. I have always adored the BBC version, so I was expecting to be really disappointed by the new movie, but I actually enjoyed it a lot.

Given that it was just a 2-hour movie, it was obviously impossible to explore the depth of the characters and the full complexity of the plot to the same extent as the book (or the brillant BBC version).

There were, however, a few parts that just irritated me.

In areas, it just seemed so rushed – Wickham was only in about 2 scenes, and then there were only a couple of minutes between Lizzy and Darcy meeting at Pemberly, and Lydia returning to Lambton married – which seriously decreases the seriousness of the ‘scandalous elopement’, and, as a result, decreases the perception of the extent that Darcy went to organise the marriage.

I also really disliked Bingley – he comes across as a massive fool, and as a viewer I sort of wondered why Jane would actually want to marry him at all! Then there was the scene where Bingley walked into Jane's room when she was ill - which would is just completely wrong given the morals of the time.

I quite liked Donald Sutherland’s ‘Mr Bennet’, but I didn’t like the relationship between Mr and Mrs Bennet – basically in the movie, they seemed to have quite a happy relationship – whereas in the book and the BBC version, they have very little, if any, affection for each other. I think that this emphasises why its so important for Lizzy to marry someone who she loves – she has always seen the unhappy relationship between her parents – and wants more than that for herself.

Keira Knightly and Matthew MacFadyen (as Lizzy and Darcy) definitely can’t complete with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth, but they were really good (Keira Knightly was far too flat chested though!!!)

It was going to be impossible for Matthew MacFadyen to complete with Colin Firth, and his job was made even harder by the limited screen time that he was given. He does have a sexy brooding thing that I liked, and overall, I was quite impressed.

So anyway, after all that, my basic conclusion is that it was a really good movie – and I liked it!
Well, I really disliked it. I thought it came over as a historical romance- in other words what we in the 21st century like to think of the past but not as it actually was. The Bingley-in-Jane's-room scene was a case in point, as was the ridiculous first and second proposals which almost made me laugh they were so bad. I admit that they didn't have the time to fit everything in, but I still do see the reason for ruining so many of the characters. Mr. Collins didn't look like he had a clue where he was going with his character, Lydia and Wickham were nonexistent, Bingley was a moron (utterly implausible considering Jane's in love with him and the whole of Meryton wants them to marry). As for Elizabeth, she was presented as rude. Elizabeth may be lively and not always conventional but she was always CIVIL. She was not in this film. Nobody had taught Keira Knightley how to walk, talk and hold herself properly for the era either.

Pemberley was also ruined by Goergiana being pointlessly out of character. The 'Elizabeth-discovers-sex-by-staring-at-Darcy's-nude-statues' scene was hilariously contrived.

I disliked the attempts to be 'realistic' by having pigs running through the house. The Bennets were not poor. Mr. Bennet had a separate farm and their house was the principal one in the neighbourhood. The girls only need to marry well because of the entail. They're not *rich* but they're certainly not tredding the poverty line.

Mary was too pretty and they tried to sentimentalize the Bennets' relationship. Mary was NOT wanted and Mr. and Mrs. Bennet are NOT in love.

So... what did I like?

-The soundtrack. It's nice music, though too romantic for the novel. But still nice music.
-Jane and Lady Catherine. Very nicely done.
-The scene where Charlotte tells Elizabeth she's engaged to Mr. Collins. For once the film managed to bring out something that was originally in the book.
-The poetry/love conversation between Darcy and Elizabeth inclusion (cut from the BBC version) though it was spoilt by some 21st C flirting afterwards. Such a shame they felt they needed to do that.

Hmm, yeah. It REALLY annoyed me. But I'm glad some people managed to get some enjoyment out of it... :P
Frankly, I think it's silly to remake something that's been done to perfection, especially so recently, but Pride and Prejudice is such a rich text which can be interpreted in so many ways, I guess they want to do something different so people don't immediately visualise Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth as Lizzy and Darcy. I didn't "hate" this movie, but I have so many issues with it.

Keira Knightley wasn't to awful at all. On the contrary, I quite liked her She was very good at capturing Lizzy's liveliness and playfulness and I liked the relationship with the sisters and Mrs Bennet, like how she put her arm around her when Lydia left. I also liked Rosamund Pike as Jane and how she finally spoke ill of Caroline in the end- that's something that Miss Austen never made her do! She was very pretty in the sweet way that Jane is meant to be. All of the sisters were very good- Kitty's just kind of there but Talulah Riley was too pretty. I also liked the actress who played Charlotte (don't know her name) because she was very convincing in her reasons for marrying Mr Collins. It was refreshing to have a calmer Mrs Bennet... but I like Alison Steadman's wildly over the top interpretation! The bit following Mr Collins' proposal was quite well done because it rooted the social background of the time- unless the girls marry well, they'll be subjected to a life of destitution and dependence so Lizzy's actually incredibly brave to turn Mr Collins down. I didn't like the house- it was absurd. They do have a farm, but they would not have animals roaming through.

Okay, I did not like Donald Sutherland's Mr Bennet AT ALL. No, no and no. So COMPLETELY wrong. I was practically crying out for Ben Whitrow's wonderful, 110% spot on interpretation. It was positively cringeworthy. His appearance was so wrong, nothing like a country gentleman. Seems like I'm the only one who feels this way, but he almost ruined the movie for me. Mr Bennet is one of my favourite characters so it was horrible to see someone messing it up like that. I adore his ironic sense of humour. It seemed like he was still attracted to Mrs Bennet. The line "Perhaps Mr Bingley will like you best of the party" can possibly be interpreted in that way, but I think it's more of a memory of how pretty she was when she was young. Matthew McFayden was okay. He's no Colin Firth (understatment of the century), but he was given very little to work with. When you think about it, Mr Darcy really doesn't have all that much stage time because it's all seen through Lizzy's point of view, but he just didn't set the screen on fire like Firth. As the whole think felt very rushed (once Lydia eloped, the next minute she was married), he had Lizzy didn't have enough time to build up a bond. The letter is one of the most important incidents because somehow he trusts her with his most painful secrets even though she's just told him in no uncertain terms how she feels towards him.

One of the disappointments was Judi Dench's Lady Catherine. The name Dame Judi Dench sounds as formidable as Lady Catherine de Bourgh itself, but I found her she was less intimidating than the fabulous actress from 1995. Having a shorter adaptation makes you more sympathetic to Lydia because she isn't on screen long enough to really grate on your nerves. Caroline Bingley's dress for the Netherfield ball was really weird because it looked so modern. I was practically throwing things at that point! Mr and Mrs Gardiner were reduced to mere cameos, which was such a pity. What was it with them having no children? They DO have younger children of their own, so that makes the supposed sacrifice for Lydia all the more important.

I also have major issues with Deborah Moggach's screenplay. It's not really P&P with the key lines cut out, ("You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you," "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance"). I quite liked the ending in the morning mist. That was a nice effect, but like I said, I wasn't convinced that she loved him so much. It felt too rushed with not enough time for the characters to fully explore their potential.

Overall, it felt like a Hollywood romantic comedy set in the Regency era, which briefly acknowledged P&P for some source material.
I agree with everything you say! VERY well put. :)
Thank you. I hated Donald Sutherland as Mr. Bennet. Oh gosh. It was horrible! I thought I was the only one til I came here. And I definately agree with you about the Lydia thing. It felt too rushed with not enough time for the characters to fully explore their potential I agree with that. But still, I thought that some of the casting was so horrible that if they had the time to develop they still would not have done that great a job. I also hated how they cut out some of the key lines. I mean, yes, the scene in the rain where he surprises her by telling just blurting out "I love you" is romantic and all, but nowhere near as profound as "you must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you" and toocliché for me Lol. Also, at the piano when Jennifer is getting on Colin in the BBC version for not trying to be amiable, she's just so biting with her words and they changed the lines there a bit and it did not have the same effect at all. Anywho, I must say though, overall, if I had never read Pride and Prejudice, or seen the BBC version (heaven on Earth!!!) I might have been able to enjoy it more, just as a cute, romantic comedy (because this movie is a lot less subtle [and less amazing] in its comedy. When you've got 10 year-old-girls giggling in teh back of the theater the whole time, you know that it does no justice to Jane Austen)
so sad i cant see it in russia/ but i love the version of 1995 year
I liked that it showed how much Lizzie was different from the other "ladies" around her. She would get 6 inches of mud on her skirt and still be able to best them in wits. The Georgiana bit was alright, it showed Darcy as more of the typical big brother (yeah 21st C) But then Georgiana was younger then him it made sense for her to bring out his playful side. I agree their house was shown as too messy and it made them appear too poor. But I always thought Sir Lucas was the "head" of the neighborhood. Yeah they didn't really put it through that Wickham was making Lizzie fall in love with him and that possibly they were going to marry before he left. And the guy who played Wickham was rather ugly?? And Wickham was supposed to appear to be more handsome then Darcy, at first glance. They used up too much screen time with the soldiers coming in and Lydia wasn't exploited as the young scandalous girl getting married as she should have. But I did like it, for entertainment value. And I don't think Jane Austen would have needed the smelling salts after seeing this version. I tihnk she would have thought it romantic, at least. Also the BBC version was SIX hours this was only cna only do so much in 2 hours.
Well... I saw it over Christmas and was so absolutely angry with it. I chuckled at a few bits sure but the out of time events (Bingley should NEVER EVER enter an unmarried lady's room!) The setup also seemed to contrived and it aggravated me. Oh sure we see a tossed hat on the table and these beautifully complex tectures on the walls but it felt like they tried too much. And don't get me started on the pigs! The scene that angered me the most was when Lizzy arrived at Netherfield while Darcy was having breakfast. There was harly any FURNITURE in the freaking room! Just these 2 servants and the luscious curtains! And I was quite saddened to see that all the quips between him and Caroline were vanquished. That is how we know he is intrigued by her.
Having said all that... I saw the movie again this weekend. And I must say that my anger dissipated enough that I was able to see it for just a romantic movie with costumes. And it was enjoyable. Knightley is a fine actress and Sutherland as well. If I ignore the title then I can say I rather enjoyed it.
Personally, I loved it to bits and pieces. But maybe it's also because I'm easily pleased. (=